Fighting the Trolltooth Wars in 28mm. Advice please?


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Post Sun Aug 25, 2013 10:51 pm

Fighting the Trolltooth Wars in 28mm. Advice please?

Hi all. Thantsants and I have embarked on a mad adventure. We are going to recreate on the tabletop (using WFB3) the conflict from Steve Jackson's Fighting Fantasy novel; the Trolltooth Wars. It's a fairly ambitious project but there is no need to rush so hopes are high!

The original post about concept ideas can be viewed at http://warlordpauluk.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/the-trolltooth-wars-project-concepts.html.

What we really need is some sound advice on miniatures. The look we are going for means individual metal minis are preferred although plastics are always an option if the look is right. This is what I need...

Numerous Hill Goblins. Seriously, numerous Hill Goblins. Really, they are closer to a Warhammer Orc than a Warhammer Goblin so any decent Orc miniature will do really. A little armour would be a bonus.

One tribe of fat Hill Goblins.

Orc rabble. I see them as unarmoured and poorly equipped.

Mixed 'drone' units of Barbarians, Black Elves, evil Dwarves, Ogres, Trolls and Kobolds. The Kobolds are probably more gobliny than doggy.

Assorted Chaotics. I actually have most of these pinned down, my big remaining problem are the 8 foot tall two-headed, cloaked, scythe-wielding humanoids. :?

I need some 'Eyeless Archers', what I was thinking was collecting a few Foundry Satyrs and green stuffing over the eye sockets. Let me know if you have any better ideas.

Thantsants will probably post a similar want-list on this thread sooner or later. If you see anything suitable-ish going cheap on ebay let us know because cost is going to be an issue of we're not careful!

This is going to be rumbling on for a while before we get it off the ground so if any ideas pop into your head just holler, all help is very much appreciated!
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Post Mon Aug 26, 2013 2:55 am

Re: Fighting the Trolltooth Wars in 28mm. Advice please?

8 foot two headed (well not yet...), scythe wielding humanoid?

Troll with scythe from Ral Partha

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Obviously he needs a cloak and a second head yet!

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I'm after 500 Soulless Ones and very much want to stick to the Chris Achilleos style armoured skeletons on the cover

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and here...

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Rhinomen are the tricky ones for me. There's a few nice rhinomen minis about but they tend to be huge and armed with a club or axe. I need a well drilled, pike-armed phalanx of them kitted out in the livery of Zharradan Marr!

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The nearest I've got - which involves a fair bit of conversion work are Ral Partha Gargantua Orcs for the bodies

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and these rhino heads from Hasslefree

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The only problem being that the rhino heads are tiny - I'm thinking of grafting them on pretty much as is to the orc faces as a snout.

These guys would be great but not at £8 a go!

Also after Lizardmen that look like this

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Black Elves

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Craggeracks - apparently "resulted from the crossing of hobgoblins with trolls. They
have compact skulls and high, pointed ears over brownish-gray skin, and
long, slim limbs. They are in general slender creatures when compared
to most other Chaotic races, but they are no less strong and just as
warlike. They rarely see themselves as one nation or race, and prefer
to live apart from one another, in the tribes of orcs, goblins or
trolls. They are about as strong as the average orc, being about 5'9"
in height, only slightly taller than the average orc."

Found a little description about Gorians - Gorians: These bizarre creatures are tall and hairless, having
entirely black skin and feline eyes. They are not unlike some humans of
the southlands, but they have fang-filled mouths and hard, sharp talons
instead of fingernails.

Daramouss's Dungeon creatures should be fun -

Blood Orcs - Wild Goblinoid creatures with devil horns sticking out of their heads

Devourers - kind of a yeti/ape type creature

Clawbeasts - just weird!

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Then there's Zharradan Marr's Marangha experiments which sound like something out of the Thing :twisted:
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Post Mon Aug 26, 2013 3:05 am

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Mirliton's Goblins might be good as Hill Goblins?
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Post Mon Aug 26, 2013 12:02 pm

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Those Mirliton ones look superb! Not an inconceivable price either, to do 37 tribes worth. Still need some fat ones from somewhere though!

With the Rhinomen, it should be possible to remove weapons and replace them with pikes made from plastic brush bristles. A brush head should be about 99p from the right shop and is the best way to make pikes in any army imho. The store well, travel well and don't pierce the skin 10 or 11 times each game! That may open up a few extra miniatures for use?
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Post Mon Aug 26, 2013 2:20 pm

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Given the numbers of figures you need why not go to 15mm - ERM even have a range of Rhinomen

http://shop.eastridingminiatures.co.uk/rhinomen-124-c.asp

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Other than that there's this guy from Reaper ($13)

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Or this article on alternative Beastmen which you could add Rhino heads to

http://www.frothersunite.com/files/rob/Bmsc/Bmsc1.htm

Cheapest Orcs on the marke for use as your Hill Goblins have to be the plastics fro EM4, easy to convert too.
http://www.em4miniatures.com/acatalog/Copy_of_Fantasy.html

As for Fat goblins - how about these from Dark Sphere
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Post Mon Aug 26, 2013 4:37 pm

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Cheers John - the 15mm option is quite tempting as there's some lovely stuff out there - especially the Rhinomen. They're perfect!

Mind you, there's all that 15mm scenery to build for it though...

I've seen the Reaper Rhino before - just wish there were more poses and he was a little cheaper!

Should have thought to look at those Frothers miniature showcases - they're really good.

The fat goblins are cute :lol:

There were some Red Box ones which I seem to remember being quite podgy too?

I like the bristle pike idea Paul - the metal ones I have for my Perry pikemen are lethal!
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Post Mon Aug 26, 2013 6:09 pm

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Yeah, bristle pikes ftw. You can nip the end flat and trim it to a diamond shape easily too.

Love those fat Goblins Just John! Thanks for pointing those out. I have just emerged from several years gaming WW2 in 15mm and don't have any passion for it right now. As sensible as it would be for the final battle there is quite a bit of skirmishing leading up to that, so I'm going to see if we can make it work with 28mm (scale of Kings).

I think some of em4's bag 'o' Orcs will be necessary before we're done, depending on what ratio we opt for. 1:10 leaves us needing up to 500 figures each for the final battle with units up to 50 strong. It might be wiser to go 1:20, that way Dire's 5000 strong army only needs 250 miniatures to be represented on the tabletop. Marr's army is smaller still.

I want to avoid cutting too many corners because this would make an excellent show table in years to come. No doubt Thantsants' Rigg's Shrine and Orc's Drift scenarios can keep us busy for two years but in 24 months it would be amazing to put the Trolltooth Wars on at a show.

Help me with a link to those fat Goblins you mentioned Thantsants?
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Post Mon Aug 26, 2013 6:21 pm

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I can understand the desire to game it in 28mm - it woould indeed make an impressive display game. You could always put out an appeal for 'mercenary' units and have a few other Oldhammerers contribute a unit of plastic EM4 orcs here or there - it would make us all feel part of it and the different painting styles would distinguish different tribes. Just a suggestion, but I'd be willing to raise a 'tribe'.
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Post Mon Aug 26, 2013 6:48 pm

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They don't appear to be on the site - no doubt because he's retooling to cast them in plastic.

If you scroll down on the Red Box Kickstarter they appear as Goblin Bonebacks - lovely minis, but maybe a little too animated for the Stoneback tribe in Trolltooth - just noticed the similarity in names though!

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Doesn't look like they'll be available for a while either.

John - I love the idea of tribes of Goblins flocking in from all parts of the UK. I may be wrong but I have a feeling WP might want them all under one roof so we can run the game now and again at local shows and clubs. Most kind of you to offer though!

I have toyed with a similar idea of setting up a different open ended campaign which would use the fact that we are all some distance away from each other - actually invading each other's patches and hopefully bringing down some allies with you. Add in some kind of resource management mechanic and consequences for successfully invading or defending territories like in Mighty Empires and it'd be a right laugh.

You overseas folk would of course have to fight a Man O war battle to get over here first ;)

That ratio of 1:20 for the final battle sounds about right - we'll just have to go a bit historical and keep notes/use markers to show the strengths of each unit as they take casualties in the battle. The skirmishes leading up to it should be fine in the good old ratio of 1:1 though.
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Post Mon Aug 26, 2013 7:19 pm

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Thantsants wrote:John - I love the idea of tribes of Goblins flocking in from all parts of the UK. I may be wrong but I have a feeling WP might want them all under one roof so we can run the game now and again at local shows and clubs. Most kind of you to offer though!


Actually I meant that if you were going the route of EM4 then I would happily purchase a bag of 50, paint them up and send them off to either you or WP to fight on foreign shores. At least then I'd feel part of it as it toured around seeing as how I'm stuck out here on the verge of civilization :D The advantage of that of course is that you'd be able to afford a scale of 1:10 As I say though only if thats the road you go down.

Thantsants wrote:I have toyed with a similar idea of setting up a different open ended campaign which would use the fact that we are all some distance away from each other - actually invading each other's patches and hopefully bringing down some allies with you. Add in some kind of resource management mechanic and consequences for successfully invading or defending territories like in Mighty Empires and it'd be a right laugh.


Mr Saturday has something like that up and running over here - they use 7th or 8th ed (don't tell anyone) - using Campaign Hammer or some such thing,
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